rac2win29
Registered: 05/14/09
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Should USA Raceway look into moving the wall back and implementing Safer Barreirs or some type of softwall in the turns at the speeds we run or just leave it alone? Or with all that room how about building a real short track on the inside.
What do you think? again, a friendly debate.
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bruce7k
Registered: 08/25/08
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I dont think soft walls are a solution. The only place tracks should have tires/water barriers are hard openings like pit entrances.
A soft wall would grab an open wheel car and give the driver no chance of driving off of it. The issue at USA the past couple of times has been the lack of a solid and consistent cushion for us to lean on. It gets pretty slick on the top sometimes!
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kat42
Registered: 11/27/07
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I thought USA had already built a real short track on the inside.... or was I just dreaming that I raced it this season??  (AND HAD A BLAST!!!)
When it comes to our cars, I don't believe the walls are the issue. Our size cars are not intended to be raced on tracks the size of the big track at Tucson. Everywhere else in the country, they stay on 1/4 mile and smaller tracks.
By the way, not just walls can cause frames to break like that. I wrecked on the small track at Manzy, never hitting anything but the ground and ended up with 13 breaks in the frame.
Its like any other safety debate going on... yes, freak things can happen but we need to try to stick with the common sense and commonly accepted practices to keep us all as safe as possible. I'm just glad that everyone involved in Saturday's wreck is was not seriously hurt. Garrett, hope you get to feeling better soon. And Brandon, luckily you're not so old (LOL) that the soreness won't last for months. Hopefully we can get more races on the small track next season.
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kmontgomery
Registered: 11/19/07
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Come on Bruce....the cushions is up there for you to lean on! Heck you even found it a couple times this year! 
And yes we have a real short track on the inside of the big track and would love to have the mini sprints/mod midgets race on it! That is where they belong especially with the younger kids running the series.
Since the last short track race we have added more clay, reshaped the turns and cut more banking into track. We have a full time track person that has worked on the short track for many weeks to make it better for our Hornet division and the anticipated 10/24/09 show that was cancelled.
It would be my hope that we can get the two mini sprint clubs together so that we have 25 plus cars at all the races (Canyon, PVR and USA) and we can put on some short track races with a few special events on the bigger track.
For now we have to get to work building a cushion big enough that Bruce can find it so he can have a successful Western World run! Good luck on your California Adventure and we will see you in a few weeks!
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rac2win29
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I'm sorry Kat, that is a real hornet race track. Mini sprints are made to have more banking to run on in the corners to make our setups work. Now there is very little banking ( aka has more banking ) and our cars just slide off the track and have nothing to hold them up in the corners. Nobody around here is used to getting off throttle into the corner that much. That played a factor in the reason 12 cars were wrecked out of the first race , the checkered was thrown and the race ended on a yellow.
so how about adding more banking Kevin?
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rac2win29
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Bruce, the track was heavy and stayed for the first main , our best track all year, but glazed over before the modified race. The cushion was building but it will require lots of water and lots of mud laps to get the kind of cushion you wan't to give the sprint cars something to put the RR up against.
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kmontgomery
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your a tough guy to please! On one hand we have walls that you dont like (Big Track) and on the other hand is a track that you can"t keep your car on. Maybe we should put the walls on the short track so we can keep you on it.
We will keep working on the short track!
By the way....everyone walked away from a pretty bad crash! I would say that the cars and the saftey equipment did what they are supposed to do. Thank God for that!
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rac2win29
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I don't have a problem with the big track or the walls and was able to stay out of the wrecks. As far as the short track , that was what I was told, the track needs more banking. Walls around the short track, now thats funny , just put up more light poles.
Kevin I do agree the safey equipment did it's job. I don't mean to ruffle your feathers, you and USA has done an outstanding job this season, thanks.
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kmontgomery
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No feathers ruffled here...just giving you a hard time.
Like I said we will continue to work on the Hornet/Mod Midget track for 2010!
Looking forward to more great races on the whatever track you guys and girls decide to race on.
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Budman
Registered: 07/10/09
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I would love to race at least half of the shows on the short track, I agree that is what the Mini's were made to run, but the last time we ran the short track it was not prepped and was a muddy mess for racing. I don't even mind it being flat, they will need to learn how to drive it. There isn't enough lighting to really watch those races on the little track, but on the other hand there are a couple of light poles that are too close to the racing surface, I would not want to have someone get caught up with one of them. |
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coazracer
Registered: 11/27/07
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Paul, Havent you seen that place they call the chili bowl? Its darn near flat. Take a look at 90% of the mini-sprint videos from indiana, flat. I like the banked tracks as well, but the variety of tracks is what we should strive for. |
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rac2win29
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Andy, I have seen that place but never been there. Heck you should know me by now. I would race on just about any surface they throw at me. Just trying to throw out some ideas and cause some uproar. If that's all the banking we are getting then let's get it on and get a good flat track set-up.
Maybe Kevin will let us come down for a winter race or just a full test day/evening so some drivers can figure this place out. I won't have a problem but most guys only have been taught the full throttle technique of racing, which won't work on a track that size and banking. Throttle response and set up will be key in getting around this small track. It may be so much fun we won't wan't to go back to the big track.
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JustinQuinn93
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Tuscon's small track is perfect. it's a drivers track, which is best, so that you dont have to have a huge motor or anything..they don't need to do anything to that track..i looked at it a couple weeks ago since they added some clay, and lights. and its perfect..just like the Tulsa Shootout.
great work Kevin and crew.
looking forward to racing on it a couple times
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sprinter22
Registered: 11/20/07
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just a thought if the small track is where the minisprints/modified midgets belong and i think they do and it is a goal to get 25 to 30 cars there which i think it possible then instead of complaining lets get a few minisprints/modified midgets and get with kevin and test the track and truely make a track that 80% of the people love (you'll never get 100% cause someone always has to complain) it has the potential and the car count would definately go up. the two clubs together should be a must how many tracks need to go away to figure out they need 30 cars in the back gate to make race tracks healthy again. just and opinion and we all know i have many.
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Kilerat
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Quote: just a thought if the small track is where the minisprints/modified midgets belong and i think they do and it is a goal to get 25 to 30 cars there which i think it possible then instead of complaining lets get a few minisprints/modified midgets and get with kevin and test the track and truely make a track that 80% of the people love (you'll never get 100% cause someone always has to complain) it has the potential and the car count would definately go up. the two clubs together should be a must how many tracks need to go away to figure out they need 30 cars in the back gate to make race tracks healthy again. just and opinion and we all know i have many.
I couldn't agree more Kurt; we need to figure out how to bring the modified midget/mini sprint clubs together for a number of reasons. (the most obvious being car count.)
I would also agree it makes complete sense to get our cars running on the small track in Tucson and I'm confident Kevin would be more than willing to work with us.
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